How I was misdiagnosed/mistreated at the Arya Vidya Chikitsalayam (AVP) Hospital in Coimbatore (this is Ayurveda today, beware)

I am making this post as a warning and to hopefully unveil a little more truth of how things really are in the world of Ayurveda in India as I have written about in the past on this blog. The public has no real depth of knowledge of Ayurveda and in that cannot have any discernment when it comes to going thru treatments blindly trusting that someone is a doctor in India or anywhere actually. How can you know without having the education? This is just the ugly truth of it. Your left in the hands of doctors (or practitioner) who you are giving your trust that they are qualified and have your best interest in mind. It is kind of like taking your automobile into a garage to be fixed. If you have no idea about what is wrong with it, the mechanics are able to do anything they want. How are you to know? We all have heard stories about things like that, right?

The other reason to write this post, and more importantly, is to have the victim heard and validated instead of his experience being turned into his own fabricated story and then just living a trauma that he has to endure.
Unfortunately, I have my own experiences of incredibly mismanaged, misdiagnosed, and incorrectly done treatments (panchakarma) and even have diseases and results that have been created due to them so I myself resonate with this individual’s experience. In the end, Ayurveda is actually very dangerous. In the sections on disease causation in all of the classical texts, in most diseases, one of the causations is incorrect panchakarma treatments. Also, every treatment in those texts state the signs of that treatment being done correctly or what does it show when done correctly as well as what are signs of it being done incorrectly like excess or too little etc etc etc…

Something is very troubling with the world of healing/spirituality/the Indian sciences and their practice today. The education of them in India is poor as well as the superficiality in sales to the ‘certified to practice” in foreign countries today. I am including yoga in this as well, obviously unless you are new to this blog. I am speaking to not only the very very obvious (but no one questioning it for a second) idea that you can just show up for a 200 hour yoga teacher certification for thousands of dollars and then you are a yoga teacher without any real experience of the knowledge or the path and then those people are then creating certifications for the even more naive to become teachers all leading to the ‘teacher’ left to their own devices to flounder in a sea of abysmal opinions and information/disinformation to pick what they like to then teach a Western exercise class with self-help vibes and woo-woo poetic non-descript language woven into them. I am also speaking to the trouble in the Ayurveda world where uneducated practitioners create products not having any education as to how products are made and willy nilly throwing together herbs like in Western herbology which is not Ayurveda or creating products that are not even Ayurvedic or the very troubling fact that most medicines in India in Ayurveda are of such low quality and cutting corners to reduce cost is the main way or adding all sorts of fillers and preservatives when in fact none of this is actual Ayurveda. The education even in India for the BAMS which is the first level of doctorate is mainly just allopathy because the syllabus has been reduced of Ayurveda over the decades and increased in study of allopathy which puts the student in the place of not even knowing what ayurveda is when they are an ayurveda doctor…. I have witnessed this all personally over and over in living in India. The research methods taught are Western research methods which CANNOT and will not ever be anyway the paradigm that Ayurveda breathes and exists in. It is death to Ayurveda. There is even a full college in Badami, Karnataka that is empty. Seriously, no one there at all. No one actually attends but the college has full students…. on paper. This is what is called doctor on paper there. A common term known because there is so much of this. EVERY college and University in India has these doctors on paper. Cheating and lying is the way of life there. Most Ayurveda BAMS doctors, if they go on to practice become a second level doctor at an allopathic hospital because the hospital does not pay them as much as they would an allopathic doctor. Others become housewives as most of the students in BAMS are women. I can go on with different parts of all of this that are so very troubling to hear or believe but more importantly/the severity of it all is the outcome, the results of this. What happens to the individual which puts their trust into a quack doctor? With the deterioration of Ayurveda today, we see things like AVP making huge strides to sell their Ayurveda products (medicines not meant for allopathic symptomatic use) in foreign countries at excessively high costs…. it has become only about making money. This is only one example and it is in no way limited to AVP.

All of this is very sad and harmful. But no one wants to speak about it… the ones that know about it. Instead in India, ‘they’ continue to put garlands around the necks of each other promoting each other publically or as my teacher put it, “Snakes hide snakes.”

The individual that is victimized in the outcome of any of this is then to remain silent. There are no ears to hear them. The naive foreigners and in the Western ‘spiritual’ world you are blackballed if you raise any attention to this stuff and are deemed “negative”. We can see this as an example in the new (at the time of writing this) film on Bikram Choudary This whole story has taken over a decade to finally come out yet Bikram is free as a bird and still teaching yoga and has supposedly absconded from all responsibility to different countries. He will never be brought to any responsibility or justice…. watch. Yet, there is still a huge following of teachers of hot yoga that do not even have any clue at all to even correlate that the ‘yoga’ classes they are teaching are actually disease forming due to the very lack of education of asana and what is considered to be a teacher. I could make a list of the fake gurus that have made the headlines as well as the gurus that are still out there that naive people follow. The thing is this, the victim…. they are not heard or seen even if they speak. In fact, what is the normal result is that they are blacklisted and outcasted and turned upon by the devotees or the students of the guru or much worse. Watch the film on Bikram, it is all said in there but this is not limited to Bikram but in the entirety of the modern spirituality linked movement and modalities out there today. Blind and naive Westerners start to follow someone that others think is a Guru. Sheep. What is going on with Bikram is actually throughout all of Modern Yoga and its cults and teachers. I have witnessed this personally for decades now. In Ayurveda, it is the same, the doctor turns words around (blatantly lies to cover their ass) to say that the treatments were correct or that the individual does not know enough to be able to understand and a host of other manipulative mannerisms to only not take responsibility (That is India). This leaves the individual broken and betrayed and with further complications of their disease if not new diseases created by the improper treatments……if they have the awareness to even realize the correlation of their new found disease being created by inproper treatment. 

I myself, in all honesty, do not have any place to refer people to go for proper Ayurveda treatments. This is just the truth of it. Not with any conscience can I knowing what is really going on with Ayurveda in India because of living behind the scenes and witnessing it for a decade. Yet, everyone and their mother has the ‘authentic’ teacher or ‘my teacher is not that, they are the ‘real thing’ is the normally reguritated phrases in any conversation about this. There are many levels to all of this and I have written several other blog posts mentioning many of them.

With all of that said as a pretext, the following below is the article written by the individual about their experience at Arya Vidya Chikitsalayam in Coimbatore. I too have been there with a traveling partner for treatments and both of us were also misdiagnosed as well. The treatments, I would say, were superbly done but the knowledge of the doctors was incredibly poor so the treatments were not what was actually needed which is dangerous. What is the point if the treatments are wrong even if they are quality? My traveling companion endured so much joint pain increasing over the period of 5 weeks of treatment. The doctors continued to give excuses that this is all proper, truth is they had no idea what was going on. I remained silent. Afterward, when we returned to Bangalore I ran to the Ayurveda pharmacy and got the appropriate Ayurveda medicines for her and her pain was gone within a couple days. 

 

The thing I find the most troubling with the following is that this individual was not even diagnosed and was put directly into treatments. Then afterward, the president of AVP, who is the son of the man who created AVP, denies that anything was done improperly. This is so very very obvious to even anyone without the knowledge of Ayurveda. You would not go into any regular doctor and they just give you drugs without a proper diagnosis first.

 

The following is from Erik.

How I was mistreated at the Arya Vidya Chikitsalayam (AVP) Hospital in Coimbatore

Dear readers of this blog,

My name is Erik and I live in the Netherlands. Back in the fall of 2017 I went to Coimbatore, India to “Saranya” which is a overflow hospital of AVP to get 6 weeks of panchakarma. This year (2019) I went back for a second try consisting of 5 weeks in total and I would like to share my story with you.

This is not just a story it is the truth of my own experience. Everything I write here is truthful. I can back all of it up with audio, lots of audio recordings I took in this years time while I was there doing treatments. I also have pictures that I made from all of the medical files that I saw. For certain privacy reasons I’m not going to show them here but I will send them to the institutions that will be mentioned later in the letter that I wrote to the staff at this hospital.

As you hopefully know by now, this blog (trueayurveda.wordpress.com) is filled with great knowledge of how the world works and if you have happened to talk to Brad you would also have heard his personal experiences. Today, I have such a story to share with the public. I will not be withholding any names as I intend to fully expose this place for what it is.

The hospital I stayed at is quite famous in India and there are many locations spread throughout the country of which I have been to 2 such locations. For a better understanding I will now give all the different names of this hospital of which it is known under for the past 75 years;

• AVP
• Arya Vaidya Pharmacy
• CBE
• AVT
• Arya Vaidya Chikitsalayam
• Arya Vaidya Chikitsalayam and Research Institute
• AVCRI
• The Ayurvedic Trust

And these are their main websites. They do have lots more:

• https://aashirwadayurveda.com/
• https://www.avpayurveda.com/

It is now run by P.R. Krishnakumar who is the son of the founder.

In 2017, I was at the location called Saranya which is in Navakkarai, Coimbatore and in 2019, I was at the main location which is also in Coimbatore.

The address is 136-137, Trichy Road, Ramanathapuram, Coimbatore – 641045.

I was treated by many different doctors at both locations here is a list of those doctors:

• Priya
• Keshavan
• Tanusja
• K.G. Raveendran (who is one of the senior doctors and quite famous)
• Jishnu
• Adhina
• Sungheeta
• And many more.

I have spoken about complaints with Mr. Krishnakumar, Mr. Sukumeren (the manager), Mr. A. Raveendran (general manager), Dr. S. Kumar, Ms. Parvatih and a couple of others.

Now follows my very negative experience.

I was diagnosed in my own country with a small parathyroid benign growth and chronic kidney stones for the past 8 years. Besides that, I was diagnosed in Ayurveda as having a very high vata and with these came many other complaints. I was advised to do panchakarma so I went to look for a real authentic ayurvedic hospital in India. I am a man who is 190 cm tall and weight somewhere around 60 kg so I’m tall land very skinny, my bones are sticking out everywhere, this also makes me very weak.

In 2017, I was diagnosed at the Saranya location of the AVP hospital chain by Dr. K.G. Raveendran who is the senior doctor and who has been there famous doctor for a very long time. My 2 diseases are of opposing nature so I was advised to get diagnosed by this senior doctor. He provided me a prescription and treatments and I took it for 6 weeks, then when I went home, I took another 3 months of these medications. While I was going thru treatments there, after 4 weeks of heavy oiling they did purgation and since I am always constipated my entire digestion just froze up after those medicines. It made half of my problems worse and the other problems they said that they were supposed to get rid of also failed at doing this.

After a day they decided to do another purgation which also failed, then they gave me a super dose that failed again. That’s 3 times and they didn’t know what to do next. All of this made me so sick. With every new purgation they did I felt sicker and sicker. Then they decided to give me a basti which cleaned out the last part of my colon, yet not the full 3 purgations so I was stuck with that inside me for a long time. After that they gave me treatments to build up my body, to give me strength and vigor, this was the only thing that worked. However, the main treatment of why I came to do panchakarma failed. The entire time I just accepted everything because I didn’t know better. When I went back home and I continued with the medications and after that was done, I felt so much worse than when I went to India. It took me almost 2 years to get back to a sort of ‘normal’ living. When I was home I could not even walk, my hips and legs were very weak because I lost so much weight. I went back to the hospital in my country and got some CT scans and X-rays and my parathyroid gland was now a little bit bigger and I got more frequent kidney stones and also much bigger ones after treatments there. During my entire 3 months of taking medications at home, I was getting sicker and weaker so I started to email Saranya but nobody ever responded. I think I tried 8 different email addresses. It was only after 1.5 years that somebody responded when I talked about going back to the hospital for a second time. No aftercare was provided and they only responded when I talked about money. This was the time that alarm bells should have been going on in my mind, yet I gave them the benefit of the doubt because I was so hopeless at the time with nowhere to turn.

Two years later (2019), I went back again with the thought that they would now know why it didn’t work during the first visit. I tried to send them all of my new medical information, CT scan, X-ray, blood work, etc. and still I could not get any answer from them. They only replied about booking a room again. So I went along with it.

When I returned to AVP again this time for 5 weeks instead of 6. Here is what happened.

Day 1
I arrived at 2 PM and nobody was there, no water, nothing. 4 PM I found water and suddenly a doctor shows up (if memory serves it was Dr. Priya, although she says she wasn’t there) then the doctors says, “hi, in 15 minutes you have a treatment and here are your medications please take them now” and she walks out. Then after almost throwing up because of the bitter medications, I go for treatments. This went on for 2.5 weeks and then it dawned on me that ‘wait a minute’ I was never diagnosed so how could they know what kind of medications to give me on day 1?

After a lot of thinking I realized I never even got an intake with any doctor, so I tried to ask a bunch of questions to different doctors but nobody could seem to answer any of them. It was as if I was in the twilight zone. At the end of week 3 I started to feel weaker because I lost a lot of weight (every week 1.2 kg, keep in mind I was already very light and weak). I went on my phone and searched for my old medical files from 2 years ago and I noticed that they just gave me the same medications and treatments. So, from day 1 I was given the wrong medicines, the same stuff that made me sicker during my first visit. Then I warned the doctors about how this purgation that they now wanted to do on me would fail and make me sicker as was the case as 2 years ago and all they said is don’t worry, it will be ok. I gave them my trust one more time and you can guess what happened next? Of course, it failed for the fourth time and they just seemed like nothing was wrong. But things where sooooooooo wrong with me then and I lost all hope and trust in them and I said, “NO!!! you are not going to do another purgation on me, as a matter of fact, I am not going to take any medications or treatments!” and they didn’t understand why. They looked at me like I was crazy for standing up for myself. I was so sick, sad, confused, angry, and arrogant. I decided to play doctor for myself, I started to tell them how to do their job. After having a good conversation with Brad, I let them back in again after 2 days and all they did then was trying to clean up the mess that they had made.

What had happened is that they just copied what was done to me 2 years prior without any thought or new diagnosis or intake and they removed 2 medications from the list and gave me that on day 1. As if I am the same person as 2 years ago. In the end, they made me even sicker and now I am still trying to recovering from that. FOR A SECOND TIME!

The above is just a short summary without any detail, there is much more that is messed up with this place. I feel it is my duty to expose all of these things and that is what I am about to do right now. So, sit tight.

If you have read this blog you will undoubtedly have read Brad explaining about the messed-up stuff that is going on with what they call yoga, Ayurveda and what not. These 2 experiences really have confirmed everything for me that Brad has written on this blog.

There might be some people in India who are genuine but I think it is so rare and almost impossible to find.

The second-year, I was not diagnosed on the first day, it took 3 weeks of treatments and me complaining before it a diagnosis was done instead of just copying what was done the previous treatment. I insisted for 3 days to get diagnosed then finally I was diagnosed by the same doctor as the previous visit, Dr. K.G. Raveendran.

I audio recorded everything so I can prove that what I am stating right now is the truth.

Dr. K.G. Raveendran said, “I had not received any email from you in 2 years.” Dr. Priya told me that she had sent all of my CAT scan results, blood work and X-rays to him. He had still not received anything when I went to meet him for the diagnosis. Dr. Priya lied about that. I was given 2 files from my attending Dr. Adina which I was supposed to give to Dr. Raveendran so he could diagnose me based upon them. It should contain my current medical information. They would have had to take it from the medical history of the previous visit 2 years back because there was no intake done before treatments since the first day arriving. They somehow had created this form and it seems to have been falsified by Dr. Tanusja. I never spoke to her ever and somehow, she wrote a fake intake form with information from me which was mostly incorrect. The form says “I have no allergies”, actually I do have allergies, “I am well build”, actually I am skinny, underweight and emaciated. From the looks of it she took parts from an intake of 2 years ago, parts were just made up and parts were later added in from daily visits that the doctors do every day and write it down on a daily progress report. So, she lied and also falsified medical information.

Then the second piece of paper contained my medications which were just a copy of 2 years ago minus 2 medications. When I went to talk to Dr. K.G Raveendran, he said, “You are right. All of these medicines are wrong and I need to give you a different prescription.” All of this was after I explained to him that he cannot read the intake file which I handed to him because it was all lies. He then said “ok, I will not” and he asked me to explain my problems.

I previously wrote 20 questions very detailed and then I recording him so I wanted a confession because I thought that he didn’t know what they were doing because all doctors said it is him who prescribed the same stuff for you this year just as 2 years ago. After a good talk with him, I understood that every doctor at the hospital is just lying and covering his or her own ass. Now more than 1 month of being back home I have noticed that this is in the whole of India, they will lie and cheat you because it is how things work there.

He explained the situation and why I never was diagnosed. He said that he did not work there anymore because he was 2 hours removed from his own clinic now and the doctors at AVP called him and asked for his advice from a far distance only, but how can he give advice to doctors about prescriptions if he has not seen the patient in 2 years nor talked to him and also never was given any medical information and records that I had sent. How can a doctor diagnose a patient in this condition? It is impossible! so they just went along with the same treatment given previously. (medical negligence)

Then when I went back to the hospital, I tried to figure out who was responsible for all of this and you know what, after 5 weeks there I still don’t know. I do know that these doctors obviously don’t care about a patient’s health and only care about themselves and this will become clearer towards the end of this blogpost.

Dr. Priya who lied before, she told me in the first week that my kidney stones will be removed 100% guaranteed somewhere between treatments, after a few weeks all of the other doctors told me that it is impossible. They have to come out on their own.

I asked Dr. Adina to give me my old patient records because I wanted to know what went wrong. She said ok, I will give them to you. As of today, I have never received anything.

I asked her why this has happened all over again and who is my head doctor. After many days of just walking out of the room, playing with their phones, changing the conversation (basically acting like little children) I asked to speak to a supervisor, a head doctor. After a week of hearing different stories of who that person was they finally agreed that it was Dr. Sangheeta and Dr. Tanusja, who falsified my intake form. I asked to meet with them. She said that is fine I will ask them to come. As of today, I have never spoken to any of them. Dr. Adina and Dr. Jishnoe were lying constantly.

These doctors have no feeling of responsibility and are playing with the health of their patients.

The new prescription from Dr. K.G. Raveendran said to do this treatment for 3 days and get back to me and I will adjust it if it doesn’t produce good results for you in 3 days. After 4 days I emailed him. After a week his assistant responded by saying I have given all of your emails to the doctor and he will let the other doctors know what to do next and that was that. As of today, more than 1.5 months later, I have never received an email from him regarding the adjustments for my medications, nor did any doctor change it. He just ignored me the entire time and even when these new medications were making my memory problems worse.

During my last week at the hospital, I said “I quit with everything I just want food and sleep and then I’m going home.” They didn’t understand. But after all of the trouble that I was giving them after they gave me improper food to eat, they just let me be.

These medications that I was getting where so heavy on my digestion, I mean giving me ghee right before bedtime. For me, that was like eating right before going to bed and telling me that it will be good for me. When I woke up my tongue was coated, like completely covert in a white layer and it smelled very bad.
These doctors have destroyed my health!

 

The ghee:

 

This is me after 2 weeks of panchakarma and their diet and all of the wrong medications:

 

The next 4 days I was constipated right before the purgation. On day 1 I let the doctors know and then 3 days later finally a doctor showed up I had not seen a doctor previous to this. In that time, I was just getting constipated and nobody knew. Yes! Right before the important purgation day. On 1st October, the purgation was given and as I told you already it was a big mess. The picture below shows 5 PM on the day of the purgation which is half a day of just feeling sick:

After this, I started to go against all doctorly advice and went on a fast for 1.5 days and I broke the fast with half a bowl of rice kanji and then the picture below is the day after purgation.

2 October 2019 6AM:

Just look at the difference! How much aama has been building up. Instead of the purgation removing all of the aama and getting a clear tongue.

 

This one is from the same day but then 1PM after I have fasted 1.5 days and after this picture below, I broke the fast and ate 1 meal, the first meal.

 

Now compare this with ALL of the above pictures. It seems that without the wrong medications, without food, without treatments, without any doctor around and just fasting on my own I can remove the aama.

 

I lost the picture of day 3 after the purgation but I have this one from the fourth day:

 

 

On day 3 I let the doctors back in to do their job and followed their advice as best as I still could.

And this is 5 October, 6AM:

 

You can clearly see that they are back in my treatments because aama is growing again.

Below is the same day but just 4 hours later in the morning, 10PM after earlier having breakfast and treatments.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

6 October, 6AM on the left and on the same day at 9PM on the right. More aama then before.

 

7 October, 6AM left, same day 6PM right:

 

And then 8 October 6AM. This is now 7 days after the purgation:

 

Clearly, if you watch all of the pictures one after the other you can see that I had more and more aama in 2 weeks and then a whole lot more with the purgation. After 2 days I had digested like 90% and then with every day after their medicines and treatment I had more and more aama. Based upon this I decided to quit with everything. This was the fourth week of my 5 weeks of staying there. Now all I wanted was food, sleep AND TO GO BACK HOME!

 

The reason I stayed there for as long as I did was that I already booked a plane ticket home in advance which I will never do again.

During that week of counting down the days I wanted to get my own medications for home use and not what they gave me in the hospital. In the end, I finally had my medications and then I needed to have my papers ready for customs and after 5 days of waiting they told me you will get your medical discharge certificate but not a paper for your own medications. I was asking for this for 2 weeks and on the very last day, I still had no papers. Every day Dr. Adina and Dr. Jishnoe said yes tomorrow you will get them and they kept saying this, then the last day they both went home and I had nothing. I called every number I could call and all I got was it will come don’t worry.

I was planning on going to bed early because the next day I needed to wake up early to go to the airport so a week ago I asked for 3 sleeping pills which worked great during my first 2 weeks. On the last day I still hadn’t received them. It was now 10 PM and my last day being there, I knew that Dr. Jishnoe secretly went home and the evening doctor who was impossible to reach (go figure) kept telling me he was still somewhere around but didn’t know where he has been telling me this since 4 o clock. At 8 o clock, everything was dark and nobody was there only the reception staff and guards.

I kept calling every 15 minutes but his phone was off so I called the reception and they said no he has gone home. Then I got a call from the evening doctor and he said I can’t call him because his phone is off but I talked to him and he will give you the papers, so I confronted them because he just lied about the entire thing, the doctor was not here and he did not talk to him yet he now was telling me he was there and did talk to him yet his phone was off and he did not see him, does any of that make any sense? They constantly lie and don’t even have a good cover story to cover their own lies up nor to cover up other people’s lies. Somehow, they all lie about everything and they even are covering it up for others.

Then around 22:15, the evening doctor showed up which was even a different doctor who called me the entire time and he gave me freshly printed papers that were still hot. After reading the papers I now know why it took so long.

These people don’t care about you as a patient, they just went home and ignored me. They then got a call that they needed to give me the papers so Dr. Jishnoe instead of telling the truth tried to call different doctors to collect all of my information and after hours he finally could make those papers on his computer at home and fax them to the evening doctor so that he could give them to me. What was on that paper was the same bullshit as was on the intake forms which they falsified. They took parts of my previous discharge certificate, parts of the intake form and parts from the daily progress reports and just made the whole thing up with medications that I never bought from them.

Finally, I could go to bed and with all of the stress and a high vata because of it, I could get a couple of hours of sleep before a 30-hour flight back home.

When I was at the airport, I showed the papers which were all wrong and based on wrong falsified data and luckily no problems at customs but man what a ride was that.

On the next day in the morning 1 hour before I left the hospital, I had sent out a letter to every person of importance at this hospital and also to the director at the other hospital where I was 2 years ago. You can find this letter here.

This letter explained all of the above but in much further detail, I also asked for my money back because they cheated me and if they failed to do so I would make this entire story public and I would file official complaints to a whole bunch of Indian Institutions who may or may not do anything about it. Then 30 mins before my taxi would arrive, I was in my room trying to remain cool and then Ms. Parvathi wanted to talk to me. She was from management and worked there for 12 years and said I am shocked to hear this story I have never heard anything like this, she apologized to me and asked if there was anything she could do. To let you know, she was the only one in 5 weeks who showed any apathy towards me or responsibility, I answered no because in 20 minutes I am gone from this place, all I want is a full refund as I have written in the email. She asked a bunch of more times are you sure I can’t do anything which I replied no you can’t but I thank you for being here and saying sorry and asking me if you can do anything. All you can do is try to do some detective work and figure out why nobody notified you about this because I already talked to the manager and vice manager and they didn’t follow up on anything so something must be wrong, and then she left the room and I went into my taxi. She said she would figure out why she never was notified about any of this during the 2 weeks of me complaining there. As of today, I have not heard anything from here about this so I decided after a few weeks to contact her. When I spoke to her and she then started to act like all the others (not caring anymore), she also did not respond to my questions and tried to end the conversation which in the end she did.

I already paid most of the money to them when I was there but not all of it and then I needed to pay the remainder and then when I was there she said we will refund that amount back to you once we have received it because I said I had transferred it already. Later in that email, she said she still would refund it when she received it but I also said I want a full refund because my entire stay there was all for nothing, you messed up the first 3 weeks and the last week(s) you used to correct the mess you made so actually nothing was done so I shouldn’t pay anything. She said nothing about it. Actually, nobody did.

I don’t really know what position she had but she said she got a message from the president who I mailed the letter to. He was unable to come by while I was there because he was attending other problems at a very remote location which was not close by. So the conclusion is that she must have been higher up yet even when it was received there nobody that followed up on it. She seemed to care but, in the end, when you leave there, they will forget about you because really, they really don’t care about anything.

Remember the alarm bells that should have sounded at the beginning of my story? When I started writing this article in a word file, I asked for Ms. Parvaty’s email which I got a pretty fast reply and I emailed her the following:

“Hello,

I am writing to you today because you were so kind as to show up in my room 1 hour before I left the hospital and you seemed the most reasonable of all of the staff there.

However, it has been 2.5 weeks almost and I have not received my full refund (of 400.000 Rs) nor have I had any person contacting me.

You said that in your 12 years of working there you have never had this complication and was wondering why it hadn’t come to your attention sooner, I can think of 1 reason why that is. This is because nobody cares, nobody knows what dharma is anymore and it looks like you do not either and I find it very rude.

Why nobody brought it to your attention is the exact same reason why you are doing nothing with it right now, laziness, not giving one bit about any patient or person.

I could be wrong but I do not think so, India is just filled with this mental attitude which is very different from the west.

I would like to give you personally a second chance to make up for the lack of following through and I ask you to write me a letter about your supposed investigation in the matter and an answer to my full refund, which as of today I have not received nor have had any contact regarding this.

If for some reason this email will be ignored just like all of my others over a period of 2 years, I am proceeding with my plan of taking legal action and also posting pictures, video recordings, audio and more about the hospital and its staff and how Ayurveda is not being practiced there.

If the full refund that I asked for in my letters is deposited to my PayPal account or deposited back to my bank account of which your administration has a record of I will cancel my legal counseling and procedures. You have until 18th of November 2019.”

Basically, she said nothing about it and later broke off all contact, just like the rest of them have done.

Now this last week I tried one more thing and that was contacting the managing director again who also owns the entire corporation and asked him directly if anyone has taken a look at these problems and what the results were from this and also if he could give me answers to my questions because I wanted to see heads rolling plus I asked about the full refund. Who knows maybe the uppermost higherup would care and be able to help me out? Finally, after a long time, I spoke to him. Read it here which is his email to me.

After you have read this you can clearly see that he did nothing for himself he just said to his staff go figure this out for me and the staff who is the problem itself reports back no problem boss and then he closed the case. Then he does not address any issue I have raised, not even that they gave me for 3 weeks the wrong medications and that this is just a small detail and that I am complaining about it which I shouldn’t do. Basically, he doesn’t care and dismisses the entire thing. ‘So on with business… Let’s see how much money I made today.’

And this is the guy that runs that place. His father must have been proud.

People are corrupt on the inside and they destroy everything that is outside.

 

Let’s dive into a bit more detail about something which I call medical fraud.

I shall now explain to you what they did with the daily progress reports that they are supposed to write down daily.

It contains columns where they should ‘diagnose’ you every day, like; how is your digestion, show me your tongue, show me your iris, how is your urine and stool etc.

What they do is almost every day there is a different doctor doing rounds so it’s not like you have 1 or 2 doctors who come and visit you it is like an entire football team of doctors and every time you need to tell them the same story again and again because nobody knows what’s going on with you as they see 100 patients every day and those patients see 2 doctors a day and every day is a new day with different doctors. They come and ask you 2 or maybe 4 things out of 7 and then they leave the others blank, next day or even in the evening a new doctor comes and he or she fills in the remaining things without asking you anything. So, the next day a doctor comes and doesn’t know what is up with you for 3 days and looks back at those days on those forms and then gets a picture from those days and based upon that information they decide medical things, like giving new medications or stopping some treatments. But almost all of that information is falsified and made up by these doctors. All of this is medical negligence and fraud but to them it is normal.

Don’t even try to explain this to them because they won’t understand it, probably because they are too busy playing with their phones right in front of you.

I emailed my letter which I mentioned above to all of these email address and they never responded to any of my emails, I emailed them many times even:

– avp.navakkarai@avpayurveda.com (Saranya location)

– doctors@avtayurveda.com

– avt@avtayurveda.com

– healing@avtayurveda.com

– sathishcoe@gmail.com

– accounts@avtayurveda.com

– parvathysw@gmail.com (Ms. Parvathy)

– frontoffice@avtayurveda.com

– kgraveendran@yahoo.com (Senior doctor K.G. Raveendran)

– vinodayur@yahoo.co.in (manager at Saranya location)

– mdoffice@avtayurveda.com (managing director P.R.Krishnakumar)

– jishnusanthan772@gmail.com (Dr. Jishnoe)

Humanity, in general, has become so corrupted in spirit and this hospital is the same, there is no Ayurveda here.

Thus, ends my story.

 

 

I hope that you have enjoyed reading this but most importantly I hope you have learned something from my suffering at this place.

I would like to ask you for one thing, please spread this blogpost out on every social media you have let this kind of information spread out on the internet instead of them selling themselves in the positive light for which they are not.

And if you like email them using the above email addresses and let them know what you think or ask them questions. I ask this because I want to make them feel responsible for what they did and still are doing to others in the hope they will see the light and change their ways, by getting messages from different people all over the world maybe they will see the or question their own behavior. Let’s give these people the credit that is due.

Thank you for letting me share this story with you.

 

Addendum…

• In 2018 all prices went up with 50% and nobody notified me so I was billed double of what I expected this second year.
• There is absolutely no effective communication and yet they all seem to talk to each other every day by phone multiple times.
• For over 2 years I have been wondering why the treatments failed and as of today nobody has given me an answer
• They will tell you that this or that disease is totally curable in the beginning, yet at the end, you will get a note on your discharge certificate that says it is incurable because of its complicated nature. While they obviously did not even try to cure my illness this second time because they gave me the same medications and treatment as 2 years ago in the first hospital (Saranya) I went to….. so that it is incurable is just a coverup name for we messed up
• Don’t expect them to know what the entire treatment plan is for you because they will wing it
• If you warn them about adverse reactions to certain things expect them to do it anyway and then cover it up
• If you are in pain, they have absolutely no way of dealing with it, the best is to take strong pain medications with you when you visit them
• Don’t send them any medical information, papers, files, pictures or results because they will just ignore it but the final report I was given was just copying the western diagnosis reports I had sent them but written in sanskrit words.
• If you go for panchakarma here expect to lose a lot of weight, even if you are already emaciated. It is normal yes, but they will say 2 to 3 kg is normal and when you have reached that they will say 4 is normal when you have reached that they will go as far as 6. In their eyes, it’s all normal. If you die, they will probably say its normal. For example, from day 1 told the dietician that I absolutely don’t want any chili or pepper in my food because of allergies, she will tell the kitchen yet the kitchen who say ok to everything yet do not follow. Expect to get pepper in everything. Don’t complain about it or else you will get more pepper next time. Some days it was so bad that I ended up eating some dry chapati with cold water.
• The hospital used a menu which is filled with like 20 items, from simple kanji and khichari to a heavy thali and sour buttermilk or raw carrots. If you ask for only khichari you will get khichari which is very watery and lots of half-raw cold vegetables for taste and texture with lots of liquid dal but you can’t order this for breakfast for some reason.

Erik.

 

Post Script:

I have already spoken to the following persons or institutions:

– National Consumer Disputes Redressal Commission

– Department of Consumer Affairs

– Department of Administrative Reforms and Public Grievances (Administrative Reforms and PG, External Affairs, Consumer Affairs, Ayush, Health & Family Welfare, Justice, Legal Affairs, Pharmaceutical, Science and Technology, Tourism)

– Medical Council of India

– Commissioner and Superintendent of Police Coimbatore, Commissioner Corporation of Coimbatore

– Tamil Nuda Police

– Ministry of Health & Family Welfare

– Tamil Nadu Medical Council

– Medical Council of India

– Ministry of Ayush

– Chief Minister of Tamil Nuda

– Central Council of Indian Medicine

– Tamil Nadu State Consumer Disputes Redressal Commission

– Coimbatore District Consumer Court and Consumer Forum

– Coimbatore District Consumer Disputes Redressal Forum

– Coimbatore District Forum: National Consumer Disputes Redressal Commission

– Netherlands embassy in New Delhi

– Newspapers: The Hindu, Times of India, Dainik Bhaskar, Live Hindustan, Dinamalar, Maalaimalar, Dinakaran, Dinamani, Thinaboomi

I will keep you all updated if anything new happens.

Doubt it will.

I forgot to write about that after a few weeks they gave me some forms with questions about how everything is going and what I thought about it all and some open space for improvements, I ended up writing 4 pages full for them to improve and they wanted my email address so I was hoping that when they would read it they would contact me about all of that but it has been months now and nobody has emailed me and I just know that they will never do that because they don’t really care.

Welcome to India!

 

 

 

Addition from Erik, Mar 8,  2020:

I want to let everyone see how corrupt the Indian government is (which are its own citizens, ie. Indians)

It has been 1 month since I have sent out the emails.

Other people have contacted the hospital and its staff members for me, i even reached out a couple of times, this article has been shared on Facebook, review sites and what not and so far zero responses from them. (thank you for those who have spread it)

That is except for one which is a fake review from one of the staff that they posted in the article itself under the comment section.

I filed 7 public grievances to different departments, for 5 of them I got the status of: Case closed, below follows an overview of them.

– Department of Health & Family Welfare >> Hospitals = Your grievance does not come under the purview of the Dept of Health and FW. Your grievance may pertain to Ministry of Ayush

– Department of Health & Family Welfare >> Medicines >> Allegation of Malpractice = The complaint does not pertain to D/o Health and FW. May be taken up with the Ministry of Ayush.

– Department of Health & Family Welfare >> Medical Education >> Allegation of Corruption/ Malpractice = The grievance does not pertain to D/o Health and FW. May be taken up with the Government of Tamil Nadu.

– Department of Health & Family Welfare >> Other = The grievance does not pertain to D/o Health and FW. May be taken up with the Ministry of Ayush.

– Department of Health & Family Welfare >> Public Health >> Other = The grievance does not pertain to D/o Health and FW. May be taken up with the Government of Tamil Nadu.

Then some of them tell you to go to the Ministry of Ayush which is specifically created for Ayurveda and they close the case also.

Ayush = Not related to this Ministry (CASE CLOSED)

I now have one open with a status that i don’t understand.

– External Affairs >> Others = Under process by Coimbatore (PA TO COP)

Wanna bet that this case will be closed pretty soon and that they will not do anything because i also reported this to the local and state police which it is being sent to right authority now (so i think)

I even emailed the person from Ayush who closed the case and I have not received any message from them.

I also send out lots and lots of emails to different people including personal emails to the staff of Ayush way before and nobody responded.

Just to be clear from all of the people I have emailed which are like 50 people, even newspapers, only 1 replied back and fast also, guess who that was.. it was the Dutch Embassy and they said that they couldn’t do anything and that I should contact Ayush and the above departments (1 of them) which I already did.

As you can see, it is even futile, a waste of your time and effort and for some HOPE, don’t even bother by reporting it, just see what has happened, see what it has done to your mind, accept that it happened, how it happened, fully and completely and move on.

This is the harsh reality of Ayurveda in India today.

 

 

 

• 11/02/2020
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