Spiritual or just plain materialism
We judge from a place of not having the experience of something but from our wisest place
still in darkness
as how can someone talk about what Iceland is like if they have never been there? maybe by reading about it or looking at a map but it can never be realized or embodied that way much less taught
one can never know what the culture is really like, how the people live and think, the deep environment of their paradigm.
Even if one was to go to iceland and stay 2 weeks at a tourist hotel, and see the tourist sights, and go on the tourist site seeing tours or even a cruise
they will never “see” and experience Iceland.
there is though……. reading, and study, and that does do some kind of wild paradigm shifts sometimes if the proper teachings and teachers are there guiding the studies
so I wonder though…..
buddhism, yoga, and all of these ancient deep and magical paths, that really say mostly the same perennial wisdom……
of stilling the mind, getting out of the mind, getting out of the emotions ………
samadhi, nirvana, moksha…… as to what they are talking about……. it is only found through their ways, their paths
which are all similar
today I don’t see those paths being lived
Or being taught
you can get a New York Best Sellers List book on the subject
there are way to many of them
but instead they are all just
but a take off on the paths, using their names and forms
and watered down for the masses
but then being mixed with all forms of mind stuff and materialism
(because although we are supposed to be mindful, we are stuck in our heads reading books and they stay but a concept and never embodied)
and made out to be those paths
and people by it hook line and sinker because they know no better….
so the thought is
who has lived those paths and reached nirvana, samadhi etc…… ???????
where are they??????
don’t see them writing books
and why is our time today so incredibly important, more than any other time in history that we find it needed that we change the paths of those ancient sciences to befit our cultural problems of today
instead of actually just living those paths from the original texts
Do we not see that there is a spiritual renunciate life and then there is the house holder life. they are non homogeneous
and to think that they are, is to disrespect the wisdom of the path
and destroy it as well
not walking the path as written…
isn’t it just more mind game, in the game, (that the path is getting you out of) surfing that wave again, in the suffering, the love and loss and learning
for the same reasons of…..
lack of or fear of responsibility to actually be there, to be what your true human potential is
the fear of the loneliness comes up as well, the fear of the separateness that would occur if you were to live the path with no excuses
and experience samadhi, nirvana, and moksha
but instead just fear of the unknown
and more western books by scholars, not actualized sadhakas
intellectuals, that make excuses and changes the actual ancient texts
and then argue with other intellectuals about them
Yoga, is stilling the modifications of the mind, then the seer is residing in self and when it is not the seer is the modifications of the mind.
This is the first four sutras or verses in yoga.
it says it all as far as yoga goes. There is really nothing more.
the rest of all the verses and the practice is nothing more than those modifications the surfing, the fear, the riding the waves for the loss and learning, desires and love
spiritual materialistic masturbation actually
because I wonder……. what of samadhi, what of nirvana, what of moksha?
I have never seen anywhere in any ancient text about a person being in the world
actually just the opposite
not of those ancient paths but
if we need each other
if we are living
riding those waves
Only in books written in the modern age talking of ancient forms manipulated for modern times
do we ever see them about …… living in the world
or the cliche’
“be in the world but not of the world. ”
the same i could say is that only within the last 100 years or so
has there developed the worship of humans like gurus, saints, teachers, etc (they are just human)
hell in America you just need to be an Indian and wear a bindi and people with think you are realized
Yes, that is how naive we are
where as there was deep respect prior for gurus (teachers), but not worship (giving the responsibility away)
(and guess what people, they cannot take your karma away, it is yours
run away from it or run into the fire of it)
do we lack that much?
and i would guess, there was responsibility in ancient times
and nirvana, and moksha, and samadhi
but only excuses and rewriting the texts, these days
and no one, experiencing nirvana, and moksha, and samadhi
look around you
if yoga were actually being taught, we would have the results of yoga as per the texts of yoga
there is a whole book of the yoga sutras (1 of 4)
that is written about the siddhis “magical powers” that happen when one practices what is in the texts
and if you think that it is bogus (very very ignorant)
why would someone go to the trouble of writing a whole book (1 of 4) , in sanskrit (which is not easy), just for the hell of it? nothing else to do?
I also look around, and see, not one, yogi
and the only people that I know that have any siddhis
are not in ashrams
not in yoga classes
and not in public, selling anything
and more so
every year that i study deeper and deeper and learn more from these ancient ways and receive the gifts of their wisdom
because they are so much more advanced
in technology that is in the responsibility
in tune with nature
and their place in the cosmos
as well as with that cosmos
than what we are today
by a long shot…..
which leads me more to question any “new thought”
and draws me towards the ancient esoteric ways even more
Another question is why was it important to write this knowledge down?
why would this knowledge be written down?
and why would most of the paths back then be identical or close,
not controversial and opposing but mutually reconciling
and varied ideas and thoughts of why and how
like we have today
didn’t really exist
Because it was becoming obvious that the knowledge was being lost?
because i am sure it wasn’t to sell books…. 🙂 (they were on banana leafs)
In the very first chapter, Sutrasthana, of the 5000 years old text of Charaka Samhita
it talks about these known great rishis getting together, from all over, at the foothills of the himalayas, because they were seeing in the world, that the ones not living in the path of the wisdom (like pretty much everyone today), and living in the “terraces*”, were having disease. That this disease was new and they met to deeply meditate and come up with what to do. From their deep meditation they chose one rishi, Bharadvaja, (sp?) to go to Brahma (god) to get the knowledge and bring this wisdom known as ayurveda back and to the world, in the highest compassion and health for all beings of the world. Charaka Samhita is the dissertation that was written by one of the students of one of the rishis.
*Dantes Inferno (seven deadly sins)
Which says many things to me:
there was a time where we didn’t live in our heads – and the paradigm wasn’t like it is today
it also says what the paradigm of today is like
even in india
the knowledge of ayurveda is being lost
the ayurvedic students are able to practice allopathic medicine when they graduate
so they do, because it makes them much more money
and ayurveda, has become a spa treatment for the most part
because it is too detailed to be lived
in this day and time
in this loss of responsibility
and the wanting to ride the wave
instead of walking the path
and the education of ayurveda in america
is much like yoga in america
did you know that there is a spin yoga in LA
as well as paddle board yoga
as well as a porn star teaching yoga in LA
and all the teacher training in yoga are of 200 hrs or 500 hrs with no experience needed on the path, and this is who is teaching you yoga
and they all focus mainly on the physical postures
from a western exercise vantage point which is not from a yoga / prana vantage point
which makes most of it disease forming from that yoga / prana vantage point
There was a day when the primeval forests gave way to cultivated fields, and wealthy cities sprang up on all sides. Mighty kingdoms were established which had communications with all the great powers of the world. But even in the heyday of its material prosperity civilization ever looked back with adoration upon the early ideal of strenuous self-realisation, and the dignity of the simple life of the forest hermitage, and drew its best inspiration from the wisdom stored there.
The west seems to take a pride in thinking that it is subduing nature; as if we are living in a hostile world where we have to wrest everything we want from an unwilling and alien arrangement of things. This sentiment is the product of the city wall habit and training of mind. For in the city life man naturally directs the concentrated light of his mental vision upon his own life and works, and this creates an artificial dissociation between himself and the Universal Nature within whose bosom he lies.
Back in time, it wasn’t like that, the point of view was different; it included the world with the man as one great truth. India put all her emphasis on the harmony that exists between the individual and the universal. She felt we could have no communication whatever with our surroundings if they were absolutely foreign to us. Man’s complaint against nature is that he has to acquire most of his necessaries by his own efforts. Yes, but his efforts are not in vain; he is reaping success every day, and that shows there is a rational connection between him and nature, for we never can make anything our own except that which is truly related to us.
We can look upon a road from two different points of view. One regards it as dividing us from the object of our desire; in that case we count every step of our journey over it as something attained by force in the face of obstruction. The other sees it as the road which leads us to our destination; and as such it is part of our goal. It is already the beginning of our attainment, and by journeying over it we can only gain that which in itself it offers to us. This last point of view is that of India with regard to nature. For her, the great fact is that we are in harmony with nature; that man can think because his thoughts are in harmony with things; that he can use the forces of nature for his own purpose only because his power is in harmony with the power which is universal, and that in the long run his purpose never can knock against the purpose which works through nature.
In the west the prevalent feeling is that nature belongs exclusively to inanimate things and to beasts, that there is a sudden unaccountable break where human nature begins. According to it, everything that is low in the scale of beings is merely nature, and whatever has the stamp of perfection on it, intellectual or moral, is human-nature. It is like dividing the bud and the blossom into two separate categories, and putting their grace to the credit of two different and antithetical principles.
and people say we are evolving.
but yet the search for happiness is greater and the amount of dischord grows as well
While we see a huge growth in self help and spiritual themes from supposed ancient ways
All those ancient ways renounced activities that lead to the evil in words, thoughts, or deeds; taught the extinction of pride, lust, evil thought, and ignorance, and edified forgiveness, love, charity, and truth.
We are in a time of Avidyā. Avidyā is the ignorance that darkens our consciousness, and tends to limit it within the boundaries of our personal self. It is this Avidyā, this ignorance, this limiting of consciousness that creates the hard separateness of the ego, and thus becomes the source of all pride and greed and cruelty incidental to self-seeking. When a man sleeps he is shut up within the narrow activities of his physical life. He lives, but he knows not the varied relations of his life to his surroundings,—therefore he knows not himself. So when a man lives the life of Avidyā he is confined within his self. It is a spiritual sleep; his consciousness is not fully awake to the highest reality that surrounds him, therefore he knows not the reality of his own soul.
But there is a story, of a man and an ascetic sadhu “Can you tell me,” the man asked them, “wherein lies the special features of your religion?” he hesitated for a moment and answered, “It is difficult to define that.” and then said, “No, it is quite simple. I hold that I have first of all to know our own soul under the guidance of my spiritual teacher, and when I have done that I will find him, who is the Supreme Soul, within me.” “Why don’t you preach your doctrine to all the people of the world?” the man asked. “Whoever feels thirsty will of himself come to the river,” was his reply. “But then, do you find it so? Are they coming?” The ascetic gave a gentle smile, and with an assurance which had not the least tinge of impatience or anxiety, he said, “They must come, one and all.”